tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post2281785013162481717..comments2024-02-25T02:50:53.858-08:00Comments on HoseMaster of Wine™: Nat DefraudsRon Washam, HMWhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-6966469527563168522013-01-05T08:38:05.706-08:002013-01-05T08:38:05.706-08:00Gerry,
A big hooters clusterfuck? If only...
The ...Gerry,<br />A big hooters clusterfuck? If only...<br /><br />The real question is, is an M.W. worth $2.10/month?<br /><br />Thanks for dropping by. Becoming an annual visit!Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-69611725538329112392013-01-05T07:49:49.062-08:002013-01-05T07:49:49.062-08:00Eric V. Orange said...
This is classic, "Whe...Eric V. Orange said...<br /><br />This is classic, "When you think about it, the real pay-to-play wine reviewer with nice boobies was Jay Miller."<br /><br />The uptick in the subscription rate for Nat NoSoMaClean's website was due to the cost of purchasing from Dr. Jay Miller the framed copy of Pancho Campo's MW certificate, which Campo had given to Miller as a token of his appreciation for allowing himself to be used as tool for milking money from Spanish D.O.s and wineries. This is beginning to resemble a big hooters' clusterf-ck. <br />Gerry Dawes's Spainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650398499991198249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-89410908843891122592013-01-02T17:07:18.515-08:002013-01-02T17:07:18.515-08:00Hey EVO!
Thanks. I did once have a post that went ...Hey EVO!<br />Thanks. I did once have a post that went over 100 comments, but that was long ago in a galaxy far, far away. As I said, 2012 in wine was the Year of the Boobs. Rudy fits in there too somewhere.<br /><br />Martin,<br />Interesting scale, and, as you note, awarding a perfect score is, to the average consumer, tantamount to a big FU. But that would seem like encouragement to give them more often...<br /><br />Dean,<br />And our country is fucked up? We don't have an LCBO to tell us what to buy. Oh, wait, worse--we have Wilfred Wong, and the woman at Costco who thinks wine is toilet paper. Never mind.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-56263363173099200232013-01-02T13:32:40.268-08:002013-01-02T13:32:40.268-08:00Addendum: the LCBO unleashes about 120 wines an is...Addendum: the LCBO unleashes about 120 wines an issue, 240 a month. The other reviews from non-writers is from the Vintages Panel, which Nat has abbreviated VP. Whoever VP is, he sure reviews a lot of wine!!Dean Tudorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027150351344396656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-81826595980531844242013-01-02T13:28:17.295-08:002013-01-02T13:28:17.295-08:00The provincial Liquor Control Board of Ontario put...The provincial Liquor Control Board of Ontario puts out a bi-weekly (that's twice a month, folks) catalogue of new wines available for sale in Ontario. Each wine is given a tasting note, about equally split between an LCBO committee tasting panel (called Vintages Panel) and a named reviewer. The policy of the LCBO is to reprint (having requested a blanket permission) the review in its entirety, not just a few words or a number as a movie ad would carry. Thus, a review from Robert Parker would state whatever he wrote, his rating, his name, a date for the review, and a source in print on on the web. There are about 50 of these an issue, maybe 100 a month. What Natalie MacLean did was to cut and paste ALL of those reviews that were appropriate for her recommended wines. These reviews (including the in-house Vintages Panel) would be added to her database as "More Reviews", and attributed to initials reflecting the name of the original writer. Jancis Robinson was JRO (someone else was JR), Robert Parker was RP. There was NO date, no full name, no source or URL, nada -- just initials. She defended her reprint actions by quoting "fair use" of the reviews. She defended her lack of proper attribution by using initials keyed to a directory-legend-index, which was later found to be non-existent -- a figment of her imagination, brought out only in order to justify what she did. Or else, she's delusional. Shall I go on?Dean Tudorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027150351344396656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-46736726265145266322013-01-02T12:33:15.610-08:002013-01-02T12:33:15.610-08:00Chicago Pinot - There is no canadian Liquor Board ...Chicago Pinot - There is no canadian Liquor Board because all of the regulation on alcohol is a provincial premise and not federal regulation. And yes if used with the proper mentions it is totally legal and of course makes publicity to the writer, magazine and the wine itself.<br /><br />We have to see it as a promotional tool.<br /><br />But when I give classes or write I always command to trust your own taste......<br /><br />I will share with all of you now my own scoring notes submitted once to a group of wanna be, given my reputation in Montreal it was received well but not used! I wonder why?<br /><br />here it is.....<br />Scoring was based on 10 points X by ten and you have a scale by hundreds, divide by 5 and wow here is a star system!<br /><br />1 - Extremely good.... for unclogging toilet plumbing.<br />2 - Best to avoid<br />3 - Plunk from a mass producer<br />4 - Winemaker must have been sleeping<br />5 - Average everyday no fuss, sauce will be fine<br />6 - Mother in law likes it<br />7 - Share with friends that do not know about wine<br />8 - Special occasion (you would drink it alone) or share on big occasion with noteworthy people<br />9 - Very special occasion (but drink it alone because you are special)<br />10 - FU all this one is for me (you drink it alone, even if you have invited any people in the same local area you are standing)<br /><br /> Martinhttp://sommeliermartincharlebois.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-12933617379969092882013-01-02T12:22:50.730-08:002013-01-02T12:22:50.730-08:00Holy record comments, batman.
Nat's been digg...Holy record comments, batman.<br /><br />Nat's been digging herself a hole since she started.<br /><br />This is classic,<br />"When you think about it, the real pay-to-play wine reviewer with nice boobies was Jay Miller."<br /><br />Love it Hose.<br />EVOEric V. Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10421713709476706024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-49165935495031322132013-01-02T12:12:31.251-08:002013-01-02T12:12:31.251-08:00Chicago Pinot,
Beats me. I'll leave that to De...Chicago Pinot,<br />Beats me. I'll leave that to Dean if he's still around. But it's always fine to quote critical reviews with proper attribution--that's not plagiarism or unethical. And I'm sure you can probably get the LCBO notes, but it might be even duller reading than the Trader Joe's Fearless Flyer, which has been known to cause comas in laboratory squirrels.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-22538291693396106602013-01-02T11:58:06.266-08:002013-01-02T11:58:06.266-08:00No one commenting on Nat-Gate, to my knowledge, ha...No one commenting on Nat-Gate, to my knowledge, has asked this question yet:<br /><br />Does the Canadian Liquor Control Board have permission to quote all these wine critics verbatim? And can us regular wine folks subscribe to the CLCB? Who needs to read third hand reviews when second hand will do?Douglas Trapassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348522207945522495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-50749898620824928032012-12-31T20:00:37.202-08:002012-12-31T20:00:37.202-08:00Nat`s problems have finally hit the print world ba...Nat`s problems have finally hit the print world back home --<br /><br />http://www.thestar.com/living/article/1309056–online-wine-writer-feels-wrath-of-grape-lover<br /><br />and<br /><br />http://www.ottawacitizen.com/story_print.html?id=7761638&sponsor=Dean Tudorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027150351344396656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-53011864985798924482012-12-30T08:47:31.234-08:002012-12-30T08:47:31.234-08:00Dean,
Blogger is actually damned good at catching ...Dean,<br />Blogger is actually damned good at catching Spam, which is why I don't need any verification gizmos for comments. Once in a while, one slips through. I deleted it, as I would delete and Natspam.<br /><br />This post has been all over the place, all over Twitter and other social media sites. I guess folks are starved for even less than adequate satire. Lucky for me.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-36667769406901969882012-12-30T06:38:13.594-08:002012-12-30T06:38:13.594-08:00Ron, you have apparently been found out with the e...Ron, you have apparently been found out with the extra exposure Nat brings...<br /><br />For $2.10 a month, she will send you all the spam you can manage.<br /><br />She`s that powerful: she charges for spam...You have just a free sample...Dean Tudorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027150351344396656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-70295648258197772542012-12-30T05:21:43.429-08:002012-12-30T05:21:43.429-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-31354639157345087492012-12-28T11:56:03.082-08:002012-12-28T11:56:03.082-08:001970 Haut-Brion? Did they make wine that far back ...1970 Haut-Brion? Did they make wine that far back in history?Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322028233207741737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-71035814094130808952012-12-28T10:35:13.322-08:002012-12-28T10:35:13.322-08:00Martin,
Happy Birthday! Hope that '70 Haut-Bri...Martin,<br />Happy Birthday! Hope that '70 Haut-Brion isn't directly from an Acker Merrill auction...it may taste suspiciously like Mouton Cadet.<br /><br />Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-50445918450852141662012-12-28T07:48:02.370-08:002012-12-28T07:48:02.370-08:00Dean - Yes thank you, I figured it was menat as so...Dean - Yes thank you, I figured it was menat as so.....<br /><br />Ron - Your French is as well perfect as mine.....<br /><br />Today is my birthday! I will be drinking a glass and raise it to all of you! I just love the wine community that raise their glass to the grape juice it is..... and not to the fraudulent wanna be out there, wine should be respected nor worshiped by a small elitist group of pompous people.<br /><br />In my own opinion only the producers can have the right to talk about their wine with the pride of accomplishment!<br /><br />My B'day treat today:<br /><br />Champagne Salon<br />Custoza, Monte del Fra, Ca del Magro<br />Chianti Classico, Podere Poggio Scalette<br />Valle Alta della greve, Il Carbonaione, Podere poggio scalette<br />Barolo, Vigna rionda, Massolino<br />Barolo, Parafada, Massolino<br /><br />and, drumroll.......... please........<br />Haut-Brion 1970........ my B'day.......<br /><br />With friends...... and no phony description at the table...... only fun gathering!Martinhttp://www.sommeliermartincharlebois.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-64252726800294690662012-12-27T18:48:12.306-08:002012-12-27T18:48:12.306-08:00Martin is French?
Mais, il parle un anglais p...Martin is French? <br /><br />Mais, il parle un anglais parfait, no? C'est tout dans le plaisir, mon ami.<br /><br />Hope I got that right.CI<br /><br />Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322028233207741737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-34644748115068586582012-12-27T16:06:27.480-08:002012-12-27T16:06:27.480-08:00Martin, I meant it as a compliment...Martin, I meant it as a compliment...Dean Tudorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027150351344396656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-45303558743476855962012-12-27T15:10:15.410-08:002012-12-27T15:10:15.410-08:00Dean - terribly sorry if I have offended you. In w...Dean - terribly sorry if I have offended you. In what way are you saying This.<br /><br />HMW - Yes from laughing of course, Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-9619073307722423282012-12-27T14:47:25.384-08:002012-12-27T14:47:25.384-08:00Thomas,
Yeah, I got all that. I referenced the ini...Thomas,<br />Yeah, I got all that. I referenced the initials in my stupid post. I just thought you actually had something in mind with CO, like Carbon Monoxide, which she may be inhaling in her garage this very minute. <br /><br />Martin,<br />Is having a stomach cramp from my post a good or a bad thing? I'm hoping it was from laughing.<br /><br />Well, you've certainly proven my point that Ms. MacLean has created a lot of ill will in her wine career.<br /><br />Dean,<br />English is my third language too. The first two are sign and Pig Latin.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-52737388049222678782012-12-27T14:44:35.779-08:002012-12-27T14:44:35.779-08:00The French certainly have a way with words...The French certainly have a way with words...Dean Tudorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027150351344396656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-50503596597086790962012-12-27T14:28:55.614-08:002012-12-27T14:28:55.614-08:00I met her a few times anonymously, she is so full ...I met her a few times anonymously, she is so full of it, all I hate of the wine industry, even her site looks like Purple pages. <br /><br />First time I meet her I knew she was a fraud. She try to play like the big leagues, people working with her were really unsatisfied and taught they were getting a fast track to wine world. I would not be surprised if she also integrated some story in her (Boring 1st book) "borrowed" from some fellows. She is so full of herself that her hair inflated with time (There was no more room in her head anymore).<br /><br />I had stomach cramp reading your view and comment..... Have you watch her little promo film on her book? This lady is such a loser.<br /><br />here is some suggested titles for her future book:<br /><br />Cut & paste, wine in the fast lane.<br />when drops of god hits the fan.<br />Look, me, drunken wherever.<br />A journey trough my wines reading.<br />Eh, Canada! what wine would you like, i'll tell you!<br /><br />Songs to go with it:<br />Red red Whine.... bitch<br />Nat the long nose reindeer!<br /><br />My grand-mother who taught me wine from age 5 always told me, Culture is like peanut butter, When you nearly have none you have to spread it!<br /><br />I guess she has spilled her glass of wine and will be struck by the GRAPES of wrath.....<br /><br />I would describe her like a wine<br /><br />The look is really tired, the depth of her colored comments are very light but unlike any other wine it is with accumulation of age that she gets more austere and opaque<br /><br />On the nose she will never be, because she has no opinion of her own, smells fishy and sour.<br /><br />The sensation in the mouth is very hot, it burns, lots of fruits to show but monolithic, sour edges, no evolution at all and boring on the mid palate..... long sour aftertaste that tend to dissapear so quickly, fast...like the taste hides in the back of our throats...<br /><br />Cheap Bargain...... surely cheap....but ain't no bargain.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Martinhttp://sommeliermartincharlebois.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-81008132243731702042012-12-27T13:47:19.208-08:002012-12-27T13:47:19.208-08:00Ron,
CO was a reference to one of the complaints ...Ron,<br /><br />CO was a reference to one of the complaints about Ms. DeFrauds. The reviews she puts on her site (for a fee) are reported to have been direct copies of reviews written by others and posted on the Canadian Liquor Control Board buying guide. The initial at the end of each review is supposed to be her way of attributing who wrote the review.<br /><br />Easy enough, except that the initials aren't exactly identifiers and therefore, they aren't exactly attribution. The claim is that there's a directory somewhere (no one can get her to say where it is) that cross references the initials with names, as if it would have been much more difficult to list the name instead of just the initials.<br /><br />The fact that you did not know who CO is kind of makes the point...I have a list that cross references the initials with names, but I am not going to tell you where it is.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322028233207741737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-60444858462877936742012-12-27T13:22:01.964-08:002012-12-27T13:22:01.964-08:00Thomas,
What, no score? I had to read that worthle...Thomas,<br />What, no score? I had to read that worthless description and then there's no Happy Ending? And, I'm afraid to ask what CO stands for. Though I should probably know.<br /><br />Art,<br />You seem to have horrible taste in both people's appearances and jokes. So you fit right in here.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-24394677706317880612012-12-27T13:13:34.644-08:002012-12-27T13:13:34.644-08:00I don't know how to tell you this, Ron, but I ...I don't know how to tell you this, Ron, but I just watched a video of Nat and then one of you, and she's definitely better looking . . . but only marginally. And her joke about people who drink cheap wine just to get their tongues wet is way funnier than anything here, including the one about crotchless Old Vines Zin from the Victoria's Secret Wine Club that "smells like punt"! That said, I'd still pay to read HMW too.Artnoreply@blogger.com