tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post3872600117604752016..comments2024-03-22T00:35:12.415-07:00Comments on HoseMaster of Wine™: The Six People You Want to Avoid in the Wine BusinessRon Washam, HMWhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-38156775949940374702015-02-12T13:28:11.235-08:002015-02-12T13:28:11.235-08:00Blaise,
Late, but welcome to the party anyway. I c...Blaise,<br />Late, but welcome to the party anyway. I can always use a new common tater. And an editor.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-30117200636943852892015-02-12T11:41:30.039-08:002015-02-12T11:41:30.039-08:00Late to the party but I do love reading the NYT...Late to the party but I do love reading the NYT's corrections. Last week one had so many it ended "and finally" after about a half zillon errors. It never says what happened to the writer or editor, though. (Did you see it, Thomas?)<br />For many years in this post-reality age, I would ask the blogger to check facts when I saw errors (25 years as a newspaper editor did this to me). Now that errors have morphed from bloggers to NYT, I have given up.<br />P.S. Did Brian Williams ever talk about the time he and Angelina blended a superNapkin after tasting 60 barrel samples of Opus One in a helicopter?Blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265698418862304286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-19588637873002008822015-02-03T12:49:31.016-08:002015-02-03T12:49:31.016-08:00Defend you?
I offered to round up the pitchforks ...Defend you?<br /><br />I offered to round up the pitchforks and torches if they could help me track you down.<br /><br />;-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13849290999060380035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-89971135634079654292015-02-03T12:28:10.255-08:002015-02-03T12:28:10.255-08:00Ron:
Not to belabor the point, but uncovering and...Ron:<br /><br />Not to belabor the point, but uncovering and diminishing author bias in the face of facts is part of fact checking.<br /><br />The quotes may also be the newspaper's fault. Every so-called lifestyle article assigned must include quotes from "experts." That's because the newspaper already assumes the writer doesn't know the subject, and it's because the newspaper believes that those "experts" lend credibility. When neither author nor anyone on staff has the knowledge to properly vet the "experts" the result is plenty of self-serving bullshit. Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322028233207741737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-2996920250180423972015-02-03T11:35:34.791-08:002015-02-03T11:35:34.791-08:00Bob and Thomas,
It wasn't the "facts"...Bob and Thomas,<br />It wasn't the "facts" in the article that I question, but the bias of the author, and the implications from the quotes he obtained from an MW. I don't think it matters, really, except it's disappointing that the NY Times published it.<br /><br />Gabe,<br />It will never cease to amaze me how popular I am when I insult Parker or Wine Spectator, then how much people hate me when I aim my voice at them. It's the joy of satire, really. Make 'em angry, make 'em hate that people are laughing at them, make 'em think, make 'em defend their choices. <br /><br />Listan Negro was just for the joke. I'm sure a winemaker with an idea will make a sparkling one soon.<br /><br />Thanks for defending me, Gabe. You did defend me, right?Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-6960142609232505802015-02-03T10:48:01.201-08:002015-02-03T10:48:01.201-08:00Well, it finally happened.
Someone I know linke...Well, it finally happened. <br /><br />Someone I know linked this article on facebook, followed by most of the Portland wine industry chiming in about what a bunch of BS this is. Unfortunately, someone beat me to the Portlandia joke. But you made a lot of winemakers with ideas very unhappy, and inspired an impassioned defense of Listan NegraAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13849290999060380035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-91546132918170538292015-02-03T06:59:19.769-08:002015-02-03T06:59:19.769-08:00Ron:
I second Bob Henry's comment about fact ...Ron:<br /><br />I second Bob Henry's comment about fact checkers, et al.<br /><br />Not only was there a time when proof readers and fact checkers were on staff at newspapers, there was a time when giving assignments to knowledgeable people--staff or freelance--was the first consideration. The one with the most adjectives seems to get the assignment these days. <br /><br />Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322028233207741737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-45801679034223038582015-02-02T20:54:53.436-08:002015-02-02T20:54:53.436-08:00Regarding “The Self-Proclaimed Wine Writer” . . . ...Regarding “The Self-Proclaimed Wine Writer” . . . the Infinite Monkey Theorem [*] asserts that if you unleashed an infinite number of chimps banging away on a typewriter (computer), ultimately one would produce a work of Shakespearean quality.<br /><br />To which one social pundit [**] waggishly retorted, in essence: "The dreck found on websites by millions of self-taught, self-styled, self-edited Web content creators amply refutes that assertion."<br /><br />[*Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem]<br /><br />[**Identity escapes me.]Bob Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02089688073031173053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-60937801652438976592015-02-02T20:30:15.213-08:002015-02-02T20:30:15.213-08:00"Articles like that make me wonder if when I ..."Articles like that make me wonder if when I read other articles in the NY Times about a subject I know only a little about (which is to say every subject) somewhere people genuinely familiar with the topic are laughing at the same article I'm taking seriously."<br /><br />There was a time not too long ago (before major metropolitan newspapers started hemorrhaging hundreds of millions of dollars in print advertising revenue to the Web) that the phalanx of fact checkers and proof readers and editors assured one of the general truthfulness of an articles.<br /><br />Now . . . some wonder whether we are settling for “truthiness”?Bob Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02089688073031173053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-86564678722851809672015-02-02T18:36:01.472-08:002015-02-02T18:36:01.472-08:00Ron--
I read that "natty winemakers" as...Ron--<br /><br />I read that "natty winemakers" as yet another piece of stupidity in that the joker really meant, in my reading, "owners with deep pockets", whom he was adding to his hatchet list. But, of course, he did not even know the difference between a rich guy owner and a working winemaker, few of whom are natty, although some maybe naughty--and where is the Hosemaster expose on that subject.Charlie Olkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513782687786106137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-47758959443146949612015-02-02T17:10:08.558-08:002015-02-02T17:10:08.558-08:00Charlie and Thomas,
Articles like that make me won...Charlie and Thomas,<br />Articles like that make me wonder if when I read other articles in the NY Times about a subject I know only a little about (which is to say every subject) somewhere people genuinely familiar with the topic are laughing at the same article I'm taking seriously. <br /><br />This reading business is just so hard.<br /><br />However, I did think the funniest line was about the natty dressing winemakers of Napa Valley. Natty Bumppo maybe.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-2659682328433670882015-02-02T16:44:49.863-08:002015-02-02T16:44:49.863-08:00Thomas, that article needed more than editor. It n...Thomas, that article needed more than editor. It needed a brain. Faux journalism at 3700 words no less.Charlie Olkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513782687786106137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-46089508548560011982015-02-02T16:41:15.976-08:002015-02-02T16:41:15.976-08:00Charlie, you give today's journalism too much ...Charlie, you give today's journalism too much credit. Newspapers are all working on the cheap. Hell, the corrections department of the NY Times will soon need its own three pages.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322028233207741737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-12733104529853522302015-02-02T15:05:58.397-08:002015-02-02T15:05:58.397-08:00It is not surprising that a NYer would write an un...It is not surprising that a NYer would write an uneduacated hatchet job of an article like the one is question. What is surprising is that it appeared in the NYT, not the NY Post.Charlie Olkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513782687786106137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-86768832408360081572015-02-02T13:50:59.588-08:002015-02-02T13:50:59.588-08:00Marcia Love,
Kinda quiet around these parts today....Marcia Love,<br />Kinda quiet around these parts today. Thanks for being a common tater.<br /><br />This silly piece was triggered by an amazingly stupid piece on FoodRepublic, though pieces like it are often published. I was going to actually name six specific people you want to avoid in the wine business, but that could get ugly. And there are WAY more than six. Instead I did this generic list. Truthfully, I'm not a huge fan of this piece. But that won't come as a surprise to anyone.<br /><br />I found the NY Times article laughable. The author may know journalism, but his wine ignorance is rather astonishing, and his "sources" for his opinions were probably duped, or quoted out of context. However, I, for one, am now going to stock my wine cellar with Lake County Cabernet--the "I Can't Believe It's Not Napa" of Cabernets.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-81826318731458406372015-02-02T11:58:06.215-08:002015-02-02T11:58:06.215-08:00Favorite line: “Really? Listán Negro? Didn’t he lo...Favorite line: “Really? Listán Negro? Didn’t he lose to Mohammed Ali?” Actually very hard to choose amongst so many zingers.<br /><br />Forgotten Dave Del Dotto's background (and with good reason, I guess!) Folks are still holding those seminars. Amazing they get attendees... Yup, that NYTimes article did a great job of reinforcing Napa wines as way over-priced, street mountebank shenanigans. I'm sure everyone in the valley appreciated that. (Cough, cough, wheeze, wheeze!)Marcia Macomberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07237764449953259939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-1342614518665261942015-02-02T09:45:20.711-08:002015-02-02T09:45:20.711-08:00Hey Gang!
The post is now up at Tim's. Turns o...Hey Gang!<br />The post is now up at Tim's. Turns out he is in New Zealand, where it's not Monday, whereas I am in Sonoma, where it's 1947. So a mixup.<br /><br />We now return to our regularly scheduled crapola.Ron Washam, HMWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11238869156614617705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-57644385120043232682015-02-02T09:23:07.147-08:002015-02-02T09:23:07.147-08:00All the news that's fit to stink?All the news that's fit to stink?Francly Speakinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00613155539245736052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6745003136564123305.post-578865846005277032015-02-02T08:41:45.639-08:002015-02-02T08:41:45.639-08:00Where is it on his site? Can't find the link.Where is it on his site? Can't find the link.nojomohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17874309678172035174noreply@blogger.com